Curse

Toxage · Jun 21, 2008, 12:59 AM // 00:59

I'm confused. One second the community is for XYZ change, and the next second against it. Does the community have any clue what they desire?

Players complains about not being able to make money. The recent SF changes allow players to obtain gold easier. How is more players obtaining wealth bad? I don't understand how Joe Schmoe having FOW armor influences your gameplay. Joe Schmoe doesn't get any advantage over you. Armor only has a visual difference.

Players got annoyed by PvP nerfs ruining PvE gameplay. Arena Net split them, and the community is upset. I don't know about you, but I enjoy my builds and skill combos being functional ALL THE TIME. I don't have the time to develop new builds and combos EVERY skill change.

Players were sick and tired of the only emote belonging to HA. Arena Net added a new emote, and the community is outraged. Even though you don't have to get if you don't want it. Emotes have no effect on your gameplay. If you get annoyed when people emote when you die then you won't be able to handle life. If your jealous of Joe Schmoe's emote then that's even more pathetic... Your jealous of something that isn't even tangible.. It's just pixels on the screen.

The community whines and moans over the dumbest changes. Changes that don't affect gameplay. Arena Net don't listen to us.

For some reason players here believe they have some divine right from Arena Net. When Arena Net doesn't respond, we get bent out of shape. Arena Net doesn't have the time to listen to every single players concerns.

What ever happened to just enjoying Guild Wars? Playing the game to have fun? Not to get a rare armor set, title, weapon. Players today don't seem to be enjoying the game.... Players are playing to max titles as efficiently as possible. Players are so desperate to max titles they even pay people to play the game for them.... What happened to the days when players treated each other with half an ounce of respect? I guess I could go back a few years.... Guild Wars seems to have become the trash can of the internet. After every pvp match trash talk is inevitable. If a new player has a question he is mocked.

Something needs to change.

I guess I'm praying that somehow the gw community can change. Maybe.... just maybe if we're lucky we can return to the old days of harmony. When players would help each other, and were friendly, and played the game for fun. When it didn't matter if you had cool weapons, or armor. Today people actually think these stuff matters. I don't know why, but for some reason people actually think the weapon and armor you equip on your character matters.... even though this stuff isn't real.

Sorry if my post comes off as a rant. I don't mean to. It's just annoying that everyday the threads on guru of whining grows. I know I've done my fair share of complaining and whining, but I've realized the error in my ways.

DarkNecrid · Jun 21, 2008, 01:01 AM // 01:01

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Players got annoyed by PvP nerfs ruining PvE gameplay. Arena Net split them, and the community is upset. I don't know about you, but I enjoy my builds and skill combos being functional ALL THE TIME. I don't have the time to develop new builds and combos EVERY skill change.

Then why are you playing a game that changes it's skills for balance?

SirNazron · Jun 21, 2008, 01:03 AM // 01:03

I agree with you, and this same shit happens in real life... so I guess we will have to deal with human nature.

pah01 · Jun 21, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

Arenenet should listen to players Like Avarre, Greedy Gus, Ensign, Squidget, Axiom, JR, Billiard, Blame, Tom and Tommy, and Divine.

The problem is that they dont and then Izzy does shit like buffing symbolic strike, like wtf.

Joe

Toxage · Jun 21, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Then why are you playing a game that changes it's skills for balance?

I play Guild Wars because it is an enjoyable experience. I have no problem when a skill is changed for balance, but when a skill that is a good, and powerful skill gets smashed into the ground and goes straight to the center of the earth and explodes, and had never seen the light of day again.. That is another thing.

Edited Original Post - Grammar errors - I suk at teh typing

DarkNecrid · Jun 21, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by Toxage

I play Guild Wars because it is an enjoyable experience. I have no problem when a skill is changed for balance, but when a skill that is a good, and powerful skill gets smashed into the ground and goes straight to the center of the earth and explodes, and had never seen the light of day again.. That is another thing.

Edited Original Post - Grammar errors - I suk at teh typing

Some skills ultimately never should have been made available in competitive play, and thus get smashed into the ground.

See: [Shadow Form].

It happens.

Xx_Sorin_xX · Jun 21, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

What exactly is your point?

I mean no offense, but you offer an idealist society in GW, but with no means of how to achieve that. Yes, most of us DO realize this community sucks. There was no need to remind us again...

Skye Marin · Jun 21, 2008, 01:09 AM // 01:09

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Originally Posted by DarkNecrid

Then why are you playing a game that changes it's skills for balance?

He probably just conceded that PvP needs balance to function.

Besides, he's not anymore.

I agree the the community is spoiled, but I hope the original poster was trying to achieve some sort of in-direct satire. Anet should listen to the players, but should definitely not always take the loudest criticisms to heart.

samifly · Jun 21, 2008, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Toxage

I play Guild Wars because it is an enjoyable experience. I have no problem when a skill is changed for balance, but when a skill that is a good, and powerful skill gets smashed into the ground and goes straight to the center of the earth and explodes, and had never seen the light of day again.. That is another thing.

Thats happened to very, very few skills. Protective Bond being the only one coming to mind. You are exaggerating.

Toxage · Jun 21, 2008, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Skye Marin

Anet should listen to the players, but should definitely not always take the loudest criticisms to heart.

Arena Net plays a dangerous game by listening to the community. The majority of humans are dumb, make poor choices, and are easily persuaded.

Arena Net should only listen to the rare players who can give Arena Net a consumer perspective. I agree with you pah01 that Arena Net should listen to Avarree, but don't really know anyone else on that list....

Konig Des Todes · Jun 21, 2008, 01:16 AM // 01:16

If you want things to go back to how they were, I'd say give it up. There really is no way to bring it back.

If ANet nerfs tons of things to make it as "hard" as it was in the old days, then people will complain. Why? Because they were given an inch. The secondd ANet gave people an inch, they wanted more and more. Its human nature sadly. People will always want more then what they have, and the more thats given to them, the more they want, because they feel that they not only can get more, but deserve more.

People weren't given an inch in the past, so it was harder on people, and the people who got through the stuff usually had to get help as well, so they know that it is tough, and help others. That is from the PvE perspective, and would have been for PvP too until the Battle Isles came out. People nowadays just cannot understand what it means to be a "good sportsman."

Of course, that is mostly affected by the fact that this is a online game. If it was a game between people who met each other in real life, most people would act differently. Again, the poor sportsmanship is also human nature, because nothing can happen to them, in their perspective, they do whatever they want.

It's the real reason why Laws and rules exist in the world, without them people will act out of control. There must be a strict rule in order to maintain peace, ANet gave to much, and now there is "chaos."

Nothing can be done for GW1 anymore, we can only hope that ANet's personality changes for GW2.

Point of my post: ANet should only listen to the people when it comes to bugs and exploits, not for when things are "too hard," unless, THEY find it too hard.

Greedy Gus · Jun 21, 2008, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Often times, bad feedback will be 100% contradictory to good feedback. Now if you lack the ability to distinguish between the two, or at least pick apart the motivations, it may seem downright confusing--the classic response being "damned if you do, damned if you don't."

This however, can be aleviated by actually being knowledgeable and competent in regard to the subject matter, or knowing who to look for as the voices of reason whose opinions go beyond the standard myopic "gonna get mine" approach. We can only hope that those listening (A-net, or more specifically the community relations team) have this competence allowing for a more advanced sifting of feedback.

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"Incompetent individuals will suffer from deficient metacognitive skills, in that they will be less able than their more competent peers to recognize competence when they see it--be it their own or anyone else's."

-Loki- · Jun 21, 2008, 01:30 AM // 01:30

People who want a change are very vocal, because they are posting on forums instead of playing the game. People who don't want a change aren't very vocal, because they are busy enjoying the game. When a change is implemented, the people who pissed and moaned start playing again, and the people who were having fun start posting about how it's bad.

A good example is the 6 man Heroes Ascent change. The people who wanted it to stay 8v8 were busy playing 8v8 after the weekend they tried the change. The people who wanted it permanently 6v6 were complaining. When it was changed permanently, all the people who loved 8v8 suddenly saw what had happened (it's worth noting most people won't use forums even if they promise some mean oral sex, so most of them wouldn't have known what was going on with the permanent 6v6 discussions - most also merely stopped playing the game when it went permanently 6v6, some started complaining on forums).

It's just the nature of how complaints and games work - the dissatisfied people are the most vocal, because the satisfied people are too busy actually playing the game.

Sora · Jun 21, 2008, 01:33 AM // 01:33

Yup, it's not the fault of Anet, it's the fault of the players, human.
A few posters above have pointed out the critical reason. Yeah, we can't change what it is now, and sadly no one can.

Stolen Souls · Jun 21, 2008, 01:40 AM // 01:40

Change one thing, group A complains.
Change it back, group B complains.
Do nothing, everyone complains.

Darned humans...

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Indeed, they shouldn't listen to us, they should understand what we request. I thought people speak English in the USA.

Problem is that the things the community requests are divided in half. Half want it, half want the opposite. And for the most part I agree....they should NOT listen and give in to everything posted on the forums. because the community is divided, and as a whole...does not know what it wants.

Raku Clayman · Jun 21, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

I totally agree with your rant. At first, when hardly anyone knew about GW, the game attracted more hardcore gamers and gamers experienced in RPG's. I found out about it from my gaming friends. (We've had a group of people who have gotten together for LAN parties and online for about 10 years). People were polite and eager to share what they discovered about skills and good farming areas, etc. To me, one of the really fun things was having chats with people from all over the world. My friends list was full. Over time, things changed as more and more people found out about the game. Now my ignore list is full.

I believe the game attracts a different kind of player than it did in the beginning. I find the players today are whiny, rude, lazy, foul mouthed, and obnoxious. They have no respect for anyone and they think they are the greatest players, when, if fact, most of them suck. However, the game is designed so that I can avoid them except for a few missions. And, most of my friends who play feel the same way.

Adding Heroes was a great addition. I can equip them with weapons, armor, and, the skills I want them to have.

I don't understand people whining about not being able to make money, in game. I always thought that was one of the really fun things about GW--the economic system. I mean how much of a moron do you have to be to go out and kill a few things out of any town, etc. and take it back to the merch and cash in?

I believe A-net works hard to make the game better with it's changes and think it is. I, also, believe they only listen to constructive comments, not whining.

Joshthor · Jun 21, 2008, 01:53 AM // 01:53

i completely agree with the op. people complain wayyyyy too much over everything. i personally love when anet changes the game. even if it does screw up my build, i love having to change my strategys and my builds, this is the only game ive played that patches like, every week or two instead of a huge patch every like 13241 months.

Raku Clayman · Jun 21, 2008, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by Azazel The Assassin

Point of my post: ANet should only listen to the people when it comes to bugs and exploits, not for when things are "too hard," unless, THEY find it too hard.

I totally agree with you. However, when was the game ever too hard? Challenging? Yes! Too hard? Never!

This goes with my post above. It was fun, fun, fun, to figure out a way to beat a quest, mission, etc. by tweaking armor, weapons, and skills. That required intelligence. To me, there is nothing better than a game that requires a person to use their brain.

The Rift · Jun 21, 2008, 02:09 AM // 02:09

I Agree with the op.
Its human's nature to cry if they are not satisfied.
For a free mmo i think areanet does a hell of a good job and people should be happy with what they have and enjoy the game as it is.

Killed u man · Jun 21, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

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Originally Posted by Toxage

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Stopped reading after I read: "When people now have an easy way to make money"

-> Money making has always been fairly easy in GW

-> We're NOT making money, we're loosing money... The more Ecto's drop, the poorer people, get, besides the super-rich people...

-> Stop posting like U have a clue. This ecto farm IS bad for the game...
The more people farm ecto's, the lesser their value will become and the poorer the overal population will get. This is, however, usually not game-breaking, because who cares if stacks of wood, golds or this or that get farmed like crazy...
Ecto's are the main currency in High-End trades in GW. EVERY played most likely has 10+ ecto's in his bank... For every ecto a person farms, everyone in GW becomes .x % poorer...

The QQ is justified, it WOULD rather put it in 1 thread, because yes, people are QQ'ing about it in 10000 different thread. SOMETHING has got to be done tough...